Comments on: Why America needs gun control http://cuindependent.com/2013/01/27/why-america-needs-gun-control/ University of Colorado Daily Student News Wed, 10 Dec 2014 02:41:39 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.3.1 By: Michael Minch http://cuindependent.com/2013/01/27/why-america-needs-gun-control/#comment-8766 Mon, 11 Feb 2013 03:03:21 +0000 http://www.cuindependent.com/?p=41521#comment-8766 To Adventuryes, feel free to do so. And Thank You.

]]> By: Arafat http://cuindependent.com/2013/01/27/why-america-needs-gun-control/#comment-8719 Sat, 09 Feb 2013 23:37:25 +0000 http://www.cuindependent.com/?p=41521#comment-8719 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FeTCkoXslsE

]]> By: Adventuryes http://cuindependent.com/2013/01/27/why-america-needs-gun-control/#comment-8703 Sat, 09 Feb 2013 16:38:14 +0000 http://www.cuindependent.com/?p=41521#comment-8703 To Michael Minch: Thank -you over and over for taking the time to articulate and educate us on the issues of 2nd amendment rights and how they and the Constitution are as relevant today as they were during the time of its founding. I would like to copy and paste it as answers or rebuttals to other articles or websites or media hosts who suggest infringing on the 2nd amendment is an action that must take place now.
Well constructed, organized, logical presentation. I am more resolute in supporting the
2nd amendment as a result of reading your comments.

]]> By: Michael Minch http://cuindependent.com/2013/01/27/why-america-needs-gun-control/#comment-8535 Wed, 06 Feb 2013 19:40:39 +0000 http://www.cuindependent.com/?p=41521#comment-8535 I wanted to take the time to apologize to the author of this article along with the other commentors. I apologize if any of my comments offend you. The particular subject of gun control is something I have strong feelings about and in several instances throughout my comments I let my emotions control how I responded. With a topic such as gun control that has sparked intense national debate in light of the recent tragedies, it is important to have an open civil debate amongst ourselves. What saddens me and what causes me to react as I did is not only the clear and outright lack of knowledge that many people have on this subject but the fact that OUR 2nd Amendment Right is just one of many rights that a vast amount of people have fought and died for over the years. That our founding fathers put these unalienable rights in place so as not to be tampered with and for good reason. As I have stated before, I would never ask for the rights of others to be infringed upon. Unless of course you have committed crimes in which those rights are justly taken away. What so many people do not understand is that our government has already infringed on many of our rights and yet we just sit here and let it occur. Further infringing on our rights such as the 2nd Amendment is just one more step for OUR government to have more control over us. Once you understand that, you will understand the importance of OUR rights. Again, I apologize for any offensive statements I may have made. Thank You.

]]> By: Michael Minch http://cuindependent.com/2013/01/27/why-america-needs-gun-control/#comment-8089 Thu, 31 Jan 2013 04:14:54 +0000 http://www.cuindependent.com/?p=41521#comment-8089 @Anonymous, I’m sorry that you think my use of the word liberal somehow devalues my “argument”. I guess I could have said liberal media or just generalized it by simply stating “I’m not the stereotypical gun owner that we are portrayed as.” if that would have made you and others feel better. Regardless, my logic still stands. @Adam, please explain to me how an article could possibly “inflict physical harm against people” as you put it? My comparison of the author’s 1st Amendment Rights being taken away or infringed upon to my 2nd Amendment Rights being taken away or infringed upon was in reference to our government continually encroaching on our rights and freedoms just because someone else doesn’t like another person utilizing those rights. I wouldn’t expect or demand that anyone’s Rights be tampered with by our government. The sad fact is that many of our Constitutional Rights are being violated, the problem being that so many people are use to it that they either don’t realize it or just don’t care. It is the downfall of our country. @Kyle, thanks for the lesson in government armaments. I know a little about it since I served in the Army. I absolutely do not think citizens should be armed with nuclear warheads and you suggesting I somehow am implying that is absolutely ridiculous. It just shows how much you are lacking in intelligence. Our Founding Fathers in all honesty did not live in a world very different from ours as you say, in regards to how they were governed before the Revolutionary War. They had to fight and overcome a tyrannical government (The British government in case you didn’t know) who had become increasingly controlling in their lives just as our current government is becoming increasingly controlling in our lives. And no, I am not implying that our current government needs to be overthrown. Only that there needs to be serious change in the way our country is ran (and what I mean by that is smaller government, not bigger government as you all seem perfectly comfortable with). And if any of you don’t see that, you need to open your eyes. What it seems that you are implying Kyle is that we have no realistic chance of defending ourselves against a tyrannical government so we might as well not even attempt to do so. The fact that you say it is “silly” to think that our Second Amendment is intended for such a purpose just further shows how much your knowledge is lacking in regards to our Constitution. The simple solution to that is to read. I know that it may be difficult for many of you to read up on our history because you would be confronted with facts and that is one thing that people such as yourselves clearly have difficulty with. The government absolutely wants to take our guns away, certainly not everyone in government does but many do. And they are constantly looking for ways to do so, especially now. People such as Senator Diane Feinstein and many others have stated specifically that they want and intend to. I could quote them but I will not bother, research it yourself. I will cite one piece of legislation that is currently being brought up for a vote in California, specifically AB (Assembly Bill) 174. It states the intent is to repeal the grandfather clause in gun ownership. To simplify it for you that means the state and local government in California will have the authority to confiscate (take away)any guns that have already been deemed illegal or will be deemed illegal in the future even if you purchased them prior to the laws being enacted. So there you go, gun confiscation. If you don’t believe me look it up. And last but not least your final statement in reference to “automatic” weapons with “huge” magazines just makes me shake my head. Once again as I’ve stated numerous times already it is just another indication as to your lack of knowledge on the subject at hand. The weapons were not “automatic” as you think, they were semi-automatic. Which means you squeeze the trigger and only one round is expended, not multiple rounds as so many people believe. It is no different than any other semi-automatic gun you would use. As far as the magazine size goes I won’t even finish by debating you on that topic as you’ve already shown how little you know. Along with the fact that the moderators of this comment section are not going to like it when they see how long my comment is and will sit there and debate as to whether or not they should even post this. Good luck with educating yourselves. You’ll need it.

]]> By: Ben http://cuindependent.com/2013/01/27/why-america-needs-gun-control/#comment-7912 Tue, 29 Jan 2013 18:00:04 +0000 http://www.cuindependent.com/?p=41521#comment-7912 Your traffic analogy isn’t effective:

The argument is that gun regulation doesn’t work (i.e. it doesn’t prevent criminals from getting guns). If this is true, then the pro-gun group have a valid argument. Traffic regulation, most agree, does work. Thus, it does not make since to compare the two. If you want a more succesful analogy, you must think of another area where regulation does not work, and show that it is still useful in having that regulation. Good luck with that. Your better bet is to argue that gun regulation IS effective and DOES prevent criminals from getting weapons.

]]> By: Kyle http://cuindependent.com/2013/01/27/why-america-needs-gun-control/#comment-7866 Tue, 29 Jan 2013 07:46:28 +0000 http://www.cuindependent.com/?p=41521#comment-7866 You realize the government has drones, tanks, and countless ways to kill you, right? So either you can think that every citizen needs to be armed with nuclear warheads equal in power to the government, or you can accept that the constitution is a living document and the forefathers had no way to imagine the firepower our government possesses. The founding fathers lived in a very different world than we do. If we continue to look at what they did explicitly, our country will fall apart.

That doesn’t mean that the second amendment is completely wrong. Citizens have a right to arms. But it is silly to think that it is to ward off a tyrannical government.

Further, you seem to think that the government is going to take all of your guns away if any gun control is enacted. Luckily for you, gun control is not all or nothing. You must have missed the part of the article where she says “there is no talk of gun seizing. Instead, the plan focuses on, among other things, increased regulation on the buying and selling of guns, financing programs to help police and school officials maintain a safe environment,” I support the second amendment and believe citizens have a right to own arms. But not the kind of automatic weapons with huge magazines that have been used in shooting after shooting after shooting. There’s no reasonable need for that.

]]> By: Adam http://cuindependent.com/2013/01/27/why-america-needs-gun-control/#comment-7841 Mon, 28 Jan 2013 23:28:09 +0000 http://www.cuindependent.com/?p=41521#comment-7841 If the author’s articles were regularly inflicting physical harm against people due to its easy access, then yes, maybe the government would have a right to infringe.

]]> By: Anonymous http://cuindependent.com/2013/01/27/why-america-needs-gun-control/#comment-7838 Mon, 28 Jan 2013 22:36:46 +0000 http://www.cuindependent.com/?p=41521#comment-7838 When the author above used the phrase “you liberals,” the argument lost all value.

]]> By: Michael Minch http://cuindependent.com/2013/01/27/why-america-needs-gun-control/#comment-7792 Mon, 28 Jan 2013 07:00:56 +0000 http://www.cuindependent.com/?p=41521#comment-7792 There are many errors with your belief in gun control Elizabeth. Number one, it doesn’t work, plain and simple. Chicago is a perfect example of that. That isn’t even the main point. The one thing that you anti-gun supporters cannot understand is the fact the OUR 2nd Amendment was in fact intended for “We The People” to be armed against the possibility of a tyrannical and unjust government. Our Founding Fathers new the possibility of this in our future which was not only the purpose of OUR Constitution but the Bill of Rights as well. Thomas Jefferson for one (I’m sure you’ve heard of him) was a firm supporter of OUR 2nd Amendment. OUR 2nd Amendment Right was not put in place for hunting or sporting purposes as so many of you anti-gun supporters believe (the president even believes this which is sad). OUR 2nd Amendment Right is not open for interpretation to fit your political agenda.

“The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes…. Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.”
– Thomas Jefferson

“Firearms stand next in importance to the constitution itself. They are the American people’s liberty teeth and keystone under independence … from the hour the Pilgrims landed to the present day, events, occurrences and tendencies prove that to ensure peace security and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable … the very atmosphere of firearms anywhere restrains evil interference — they deserve a place of honor with all that’s good.”
-George Washington

I can continue on with quotes such as these from the people who are responsible for the founding of OUR country but I sadly believe that it wouldn’t make a difference to you nor anyone else who supports taking away the rights that were guaranteed to us by the Founders of OUR great nation.

Another point to make is that there is no such thing as an “assault” rifle. That is only a political label created to demonize guns that look scarier than others. And your question asking at what point in time is it necessary for an average American citizen to use an “assault” rifle? really? I have an idea…..how about when the are confronted with a home invader or with the “hypothetical” tyrannical government as you put it. That sounds good. Or would you prefer a nerf gun or anything else that would inflict minimal to no harm on a person who means to harm you? It is always better to have it and not need it rather than need it and not have it. Regardless of whether it is the demonized “assault” rifle or a handgun. And just so we’re clear on the 2nd Amendment. It has 2 parts to it, although anti-gun supporters choose to believe that their is only one part which intended only for a well regulated militia to be armed. For that I refer you back to the two quotes that I stated earlier along with putting forth an effort to actually study OUR history and come to a much better understanding of OUR Constitutional Rights than what you have now. I can continue on with this and completely tear apart your baseless article but I will stop here and leave you with this. Ask yourself this. What if roles were reversed and your 1st Amendment Rights were threatened to a point in which you were not only unable to write an article such as this but it was made illegal for you to speak in public of such things? That it would be punishable with imprisonment and fines? What would you think then? What would you do? Of course that’s just a hypothetical right? It’s not like the government would ever attempt to infringe on OUR Constitutional Rights, correct? What would I know, I’m just a fear mongering, paranoid, scared American clinging to my guns and to the “outdated” principles and rights my country was founded on right? If you wish to debate further on this I gladly accept. As you can see from my comment on your article I’m not the stereotypical gun owner that you liberals portray us as. I am well educated in the history of OUR country and I, along with many others will not sit idly by while people such as yourself attack my Rights. Good day to you.

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